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    Breath of Fire 2 - Retranslation

    Didn't know about this until recently, but someone decided to go and retranslate BoF2, since it had a god awful English translation at the hands of Capcom.
    Needless to say, it looks pretty damn good. No more fishing lod at least...

    http://www.romhacking.net/trans/1391/

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    No shit, Ryusui finished at last!? Awesome.
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    Wow, wasn't that guy sitting on a 100% finished English translation for months? I was sure this was dead. Maybe I'll even brave playing it again; I truly think there were some parts of BoF2 that had potential for brilliance in the story, but were marred by translation.


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    While this is totally awesome I don't know if I can endure a second run through the game. It might be worth a shot though.

    Btw, did the GBA port ever try to clean up the translation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killmore View Post
    Btw, did the GBA port ever try to clean up the translation?
    Nope, it was a direct dump with only one or two tweaks to the game's graphics. Real cop-out.
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    It looks like there wasn't much done to the combat, which is tragic. If they were gonna fix a lot of minor stuff, they ought to have made the experience gains higher.


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    So I'm just done with the Suzie quest. Impression so far:

    I like it. I think it's a very good job. I actually feel the townspeople have a glimpse of character in them now, and Bow/Bosch's dialogue really does make him stand out in a very good way. It's still the same old game, but it does flow a lot better in the cutscenes.

    And the circus riddles. Damn, those are groan worthy. Kinda like every other English pun in the original Japanese version, very nice.

    Also, Turbo Button + knowing how to abuse the shit out of this thing = Much smoother experience.
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    The only thing about the turbo button is that it makes the random battles feel even more frequent. I already did testing, and from the same spot, moving at the exact same time, you will get into a random battle in the same number of steps whether you're walking or running. It's a nice feature, and that's true in every game, I know. But the random battles were already pretty bad...


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    You're not supposed to walk with Turbo on, you just run into shit and walk more than you need. Just toggle it when you enter battle, press Auto, blink once, toggle it off, keep walking. Maybe check your health once in a while.

    Why in the world would the turbo button reduce encounters?
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    Oops. I thought you meant the new run button that you can use in towns and in the field.


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    Bosch? Lin? Is there any way to change character names or are those permanent? Granted it's a minor nitpick, and nothing to stop me from trying it, but what's wrong with Bow and Katt?


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    Why not? It's not like they were originally changed because of cultural localization decisions or any remotely legitimate reason, just character crunching. His point regarding "Bosch" is particularily good.
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    Character crunching? Does that refer to making the names shorter? Cos Katt is longer than Lin. :P


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    Katt's original name was the faux-chinese "R/Linpoo/pu", which sounds like ass no matter how you go about it. He compromised using the BoF5 retroactive consistency logic, same as Bosch. And yeah, "Bow" is a result of not enough space, same for Spar and Jean.
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    I always fail to understand why people don't like BoF2's music. Also, the encounter rate + slow combat can really get jarring. Is it just me or have we discussed the hell out of BoF2 lately?
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    I didnt think the translation was all that bad in the GBA version.

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    It wasn't that bad, you're right. it's outrageously terrible.


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    You should realize that your comparison was like comparing of apples to oranges.

    A bad translation of a shooter will only ruin the suspension of disbelief, whereas, a bad translation of an RPG could ruin the entire story if it's horrendous enough like in BoF2 or FFT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigmarole View Post
    I always fail to understand why people don't like BoF2's music.
    It varies between a few awesome, many passable and several "oh God my ears please make it stop". The title music in particular is among one of my favorite themes from SNES RPGs and the lullaby song that plays at the beginning when you go look for Yua is very nice too. However, there's some really bad songs that unfortunately show up the most, notably the one that plays in just about almost every single village or village-like stop in the game.
    Ok, I've just about had my FILL of riddle asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denizens of the nine hells themselves wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?! - The Protagonist. Baldur's Gate I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killmore View Post
    A bad translation of a shooter will only ruin the suspension of disbelief, whereas, a bad translation of an RPG could ruin the entire story if it's horrendous enough like in BoF2 or FFT.
    This is true. It's one thing to understand what's going on, but when you have complicated stuff going on like FFT, a bad translation can really screw stuff up as for what's really happening. That, and FFT was convoluted enough as it was.

    Like for most shooters, you don't really focus on the story, just the gameplay, whereas in an RPG, it's usually the other way around (or half and half).

    Hell, I played Phantasy Star Zero without knowing any of the story, but once I found out what it was, it was fairly decent. (Final boss is an interesting nod for those who played PSO.) That said, there's a big difference between not knowing the story and not understanding it correctly.

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    I meant that the translation was not all that horrible,is all. Errors did not,to me,seem as incorrect as my lighthearted example. Is all.
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    Is anyone else having problems getting it to run? Whenever I try to play the patched ROM, it runs some kind of check and then tells me I patched it wrong. Which I don't think I did. (I used LunarIPS.)

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    Did you try removing the header from the ROM first? Use SNEStool for that.
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    That worked, thanks.

    So what exactly is a header?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim Ephyon View Post
    It varies between a few awesome, many passable and several "oh God my ears please make it stop". The title music in particular is among one of my favorite themes from SNES RPGs and the lullaby song that plays at the beginning when you go look for Yua is very nice too. However, there's some really bad songs that unfortunately show up the most, notably the one that plays in just about almost every single village or village-like stop in the game.
    But you don't see that mentioned in discussions about, say, Dragon Quest IV (I honestly just mute the music in towns).

    Actually, I just youtubed Desperate Fight and choose to consider all counter-arguments contemptible.

    edit: Okay, the town theme is horrible.

    edit2: Shit, nostalgia ain't what it used to be. Or these people upload the wrong tunes. I surrender in shame and defeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GG Crono View Post
    That worked, thanks.

    So what exactly is a header?
    Contains data/metadata about contents of file, checksums, etc, and the translation kinda wants to insert it's own header, I guess.
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    Great! Can I download the retranslated rom, or do I need to somehow apply a patch to the rom?

    Even as a kid, I knew there was something else going on when the one witch said she wanted to "play" with Ryu :P
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    You need to apply the patch to a US ROM. While you might find a prepatched version somewhere, it's frowned upon to distribute anything that way. Patching is easy. LunarIPS is a small utility you can grab at www.romhacking.net to apply a patch. If you run into a problem, you might need to remove a header from a ROM, which is easily accomplished using SNEStool, as mentioned above. Keep a copy of the rom file and the translation in a separate folder in case you mess something up, but the programs are so simple that you will not run into trouble resulting from their use.

    I've been playing, and other than a few pop-culture things that are unwelcome to me, it's great and really adds to the game for me.
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    Thanks! I always thought BoF 2 had a deeper-than-usual plot, what with the theme of religious manipulation, and I also liked some of the characters personal stories, like the monkey(his name was Shen or Shin, right?). Hopefully I will be able to figure out how to patch it with not too much hassle.
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